How cool someone reading my rambling! JUST kidding. I mean big ol gnarly wretch. I spoke one Mothers Day about Eve and Mary, and thought it was a good talk and well-received. Based on the comments it seems to be prevalent everywhere in the US church. The Mothers Day talks in my singles wards have been quite sensitive to childless women, but still pretty women-on-pedestalsy. I just spent two hours reading all the comments, viewing the video mentioned in #90, and taking notes. I have heard good talks and bad talks, and really dislike the sacralizing of the universal and perfectly average activity of mothering. Gospel Q&A: I Feel Guilty That I Cant Fast Because of Medical Reasons. But I still think the Dove bars our bishop chooses rock the holiday. Im against handing out plants on Mothers Day. MD really is a no-win. President Hinckley addressed all the women of the Church and thanked them for all the work they do in their families, congregations, and communities. Well, you dear women, I say thanks to you. The third tells of a mother who helped her daughter with a disability at a temple dedication. Didn't Sheri Dew give a talk titled, "Are We Not All Mothers?" first adult speaker: Motherhood is like a roller coaster: there are lots of ups and downs, and sometimes you just have to close your eyes and scream., second adult speaker, quoting a Native American proverb: The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears., benediction, by a former Bishop: Heavenly Father, we speak with thee every day, and we look forward to the day when we can renew our relationship with Heavenly Mother.. We were utterly gobsmacked. #16 They asked him to speak again?! Not wordingthat well. It was so honest and hopeful all at once. Many said not to assignmother or female focused messages in sacrament meeting, others said to keep your effortssimple as long as it is sincere. Well, counselor x/counselor y is in charge of May, I dont know what hes doing for sure . Why do *we* have to have an ideal? The main message I gathered from reviewing this survey is, keep it simple, dont try tohave specific female messages during the meetings, and then serve a fun refreshment in the third hourjust because. In addition, there are doctrinal and scriptural classes for . Evry cry of pity heeding, Or the best of both worldssend all women to RS and have the chocolate there so you get the women to walk through the door instead of to their cars, and so the kids arent begging for it? The answer has been taught by the Lords prophets. My wife spoke on Mothers Day (which I originally thought was a bad choice, because she herself appears to the outside world to be the perfect mother) about her own mother and some of the simple things her mother had done for her that made a big difference in her life and how grateful she was. Although with good intentions, speakers usually put mothers and motherhood on a pedestal ("Mothers are loving and caring and naturally nurturing", "A mother's love is the closest thing to Christlike love on earth", "No mother is perfect, except my mom, who is literally an . Thank you. Then I served in a Branch with 90% women who had absent husbands and who also grew up with absent fathers. My grandmother is my ideal of both a woman and a mother, but she was married to an alcoholic so I understand if she is not the ideal for others. To find a ward near you, try the Meetinghouse Locator, which will also provide sacrament meeting times, driving directions, and contact information. That was the job of the family, and for single sisters, the home teacher. Usually chocolate, a plant or flower. The fathers dont seem to feel as guilty about things as the mothers do,,,. Watching the Primary children singing to their mothers in Sacrament meeting was the hardest. It seems sometimes that activity organizers believe somehow that no one will participate if not bribed by pizza, pop, potato chips or pie. We can only celebrate the nonentity because we are afraid of hurting those who are not being celebrated "today". Ive decided to see if I can discern consistent reasons why the good ones are good and the bad ones are terrible. What does that say about us as a people? Alma 56:47-48. This blog post is the result of my musing. Ere the sun goes down: It was perhaps the best talk I gave as a bishop. don't get me wrong, I'm not bragging. What does this mean about women? Even men who are on diets. While it addresses questions about how to raise a girl, the talk also discusses the nobility of fatherhood, the influence fathers have on children, how to cherish your wife, and why virtue is so important. Please Please Please! I have an aversion to bringing my family's celebration intochurch and causing other women pain. I choose to stay away for most MDs and all FD. Some were difficult for metotell without choking up. I do think a lot of Mormon women enjoy talks that validate their efforts at motherhood, and I think some of these talks get interpreted as angel mother talks when theyre really not. I wonder if a member of our bishopric reads this blog? Sacrament meetings include music, talks, testimonies and prayers. The other auxiliaries are free to do something, its just the bishopric that doesnt. Make it different, and they will see you are trying. Not using individual's names, I told stories of selfless service performed by sisters in our ward that I had observed during my time as bishop. #109 Rayloved the roller coaster quote on motherhood. We are an outlandishly weird, mixed up bunch of folk. We got a response from172 females and 51 males. She has your best interests at heart. I would be totally okay if they did nothing for Mothers Day at church. Latter-day Saints in a contemporary congregation partake of the sacrament. I believe the best thing a man can do is not to love his wife in word, but to help her find and be and become whatever she truly wants to be and become outside of her role as mother. Well give you an honest deal! Rockpond, is this separate from a Primary Program? Since my husband gets to give For the past two years, I have been passed over because other women tell the youth passing out the gift, that they need to take one for so-and-so, shes ill today,without looking for women in the room that havent received one yet. President Eyringonce said that when he meets somebody for the first time, he assumes that person is struggling mightily with an intractable problem, and cannot see any possible solution. Ours, like most, has its strengths and its weaknesses. It is based only partially on a professional clergy with access to time-proven messages and more likely on fundamental theological differences. I went to Sac. Although the later version of Mothers Day in the US was to honor mothers, it retained its association with peace as carnations were given out as a symbol of peace (white if ones mother was dead, pink if alive). Excellent suggestions, Mark. Some women think that you dont talk enough about mothers while other people think you talk too much about them. Gospel Q&A: How Can I Find and Foster Celestial Love? Focus on womanhood and examples of strong women, not on a perfect homemaker mother. I was honored to have known her, and to have been able to claim her as my own. This is what I need for . As a member of our bishopric, I assigned the topics for this weeks talks, all motherhood focused, and I have forwarded your paragraph with Elder Eyrings quote to each of them. rockpond Gods commands I must obey, The only thing I might try if I were in charge would be to put out pink, white, red carnations and safety pins and invite everyone in the ward to wear a carnation to honor their mother pink/red if shes living, white if shes passed away. After His Resurrection, He instituted the sacrament among the Nephites (see 3Nephi 18:111). Mtg. I would say that my grandmother was like a second mother to us, but really she was like a first mother. The "Sacrament Meeting Program" app provides users a quick, easy way to create their sacrament meeting programs. Also waiting by the library's tiny window with the Dutch door was a . Not a perfect example but I was striving for some other options besides stripling warriors moms. Why Women, Especially Mothers, Working Outside the Home is an Abomination Unto the Lord. What is the trigger to close the thread? I had some ideas but didn't want to repeat anything that had already been done from the Primary. Sorry I missed that. They want to give a message of comfort and support to other parents who are navigating the difficult conflicts that can arise in families around this issue. Her mother didnt come across as being perfect, but rather imperfect but faithfully trying, and her simple persistent efforts turned out to be eternally valuable. All my daily tasks fulfilling, Please use the comments to make your own contributions. This talk was named after a phrase from Victor Hugo who gave all her food to her children, not because she is not hungry, but because she is a mother. Elder Holland talks about the central role motherhood plays in the gospel of Jesus Christ and gives many principles of comfort and courage for mothers who may be struggling. Tracy M posted an amazing video that deals with the general concept of this post in a really insightful way. Which isnt necessarily a bad thing. May your prayers be answered and your hopes and dreams become realities.. Come on. when she becomes a God like I know she will she will be an inspriation to all ladys, I already have felt many of the concerns expressed, and approach this assignment with fear and trembling. Well at least I know what not to talk about. No talk is necessary, but a simple acknowledgement of our love for all the women in our lives is nice. Well, count me among the lucky ones who are speaking this coming Sunday. If youre already perfect, who needs it? We've gathered five inspiring gifts for Latter-day Saint women to help them feel cherished and celebrated. by Leading Saints | Apr 27, 2016 | Articles, Bishops, Elders Quorum, Relief Society | 21 comments, In 2016 Leading Saints conducted a survey about ward mothers day gifts. But in Argentina, where Mothers Day is in October, they also tended to recognize International Womens Day (March 8) even in church (in addition to a wide variety of other holidays Childrens Day, Grandparents Day, etc.). This was very informative and interesting. By I hope none of you mind if I quote from this. We got there at about 7:30 AM and one of my Aunts had already been there and left flowers for her. Elder Ballard lists three ways mothers can do that; first, is realizing joy comes in moments, second is to not overschedule children, and third, to find time to cultivate talents and interests.. Pertaining to gifts: #53 Im against handing out plants on Mothers Day. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2014/04/wanted-hands-and-hearts-to-hasten-the-work?lang=eng. I want to hear about the mother who lost all her children, because she made a lot of mistakes. Very useful counsel, Mark. This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you (Luke 22:1920). It is not that women want to be from Venus, but they want to be from Venus five universes beyond our own. Classic! could have had us all come to earth as adults, but instead we came as infants needing 24 hour care to survive; there must be something we need to learn from being dependent on parents, and 4) share some motherhood quotes. " Cogito! My son Dan was married June 13 about a week ago. May 2011 was the best mothers day sacrament mtg Ive ever attended. Diversity and Unity in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Environmental Stewardship and Conservation, Joseph Smiths Teachings about Priesthood, Temple, and Women, Peace and Violence among 19th-Century Latter-day Saints, The Manifesto and the End of Plural Marriage, Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham. The greatest Mormon blog in the universe. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. After the explanation, both seemed excited and accepted the challenge willingly. I only mentioned Mothers Day once, and I said how much my mom hated the hypocrisy of Mothers Day, and that we should treat women right every day of the year, not give platitudes one day of the year. And, invariably, as soon as I would send one on his way, Im not a mother, thank you, another would pop up at my elbow, dutifully, kindly twisting the knife. In return, the Lord renews the promised remission of sin and enables Church members to always have his Spirit to be with them (Doctrine and Covenants 20:77). At a certain point, their best has to be enough. It hurts. Sometimes its good, sometimes its bad. Im catching up on the comments, but Kristines suggestion in #72 is perfect. She was a wonderful example for motherhood, womanhood, and peoplehood. Thank you. Although I like the idea of them as well! "We express our love to those in this congregation and our prayers for the victims and their families. Disciples should take this personal holiday to their own homes to celebrate it when and how they choose. Gospel Q&A: Can Satan Hear Our Prayers? Pres Hinckley and apparently Mark has it right. Father's Day Talk in Sacrament Meeting June 21, 2009. Some few are probably actively trying to avoid the gifts, trying hard to not remember the lack thats been rubbed in her face all day long. My mother died just a little less than a year ago, and I find that I never appreciated Mothers Day at all until now that my mother is gone. Uchtdorf, but you have to admit he gets pretty Hallmark(y) sometimes. The deacons hand out small potted plants to all women 12+ years, then the sisters eat cake in Relief Society (served up by the RS presidency.). Fun Photos of Latter-day Saint Leaders in the Snow! 41 Fear not, little children, for you are mine, and I have overcome the world, and you are of them that my Father hath given me; 42 And none of them that my Father hath given me shall be lost.. Ive lived in numerous family wards, and Ive never gotten as much as a crumb for Fathers Day, at least not from church. An ideal is fine to have in your own life, but imo it is dangerous to attempt to have one for a worldwide religious organization. Talking to other grownups while nice doesnt belong in 3rd hour. Wow! I'd had a challenging morning, but somehow, my 3-year-old-daughter was decked out and ready for church on time. Serious question for everyone, just out of true curiosity: How many of these horror stories happened in the last five years? Ugh. It falls short when it is not delivered with love, patience, acceptance, humility, an understanding of the limitations of REALITY, and the the Gift of the Holy Ghost. And, as your mother, I will miss the delicious pie during a relaxing third hour of church. Motherhood as a path to choose to be a better disciple of Christ by caring for those Christ loves.feed my sheep, etc.https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2014/04/wanted-hands-and-hearts-to-hasten-the-work?lang=eng. Questions & Answers: What am I supposed to think about during the sacrament? I thought my husband (Sonny) had already posted this, but maybe not, or Im just blinder than usual. Being Both a Disciple & a Daughter: Balancing Formality in Prayer. I think its terribly sad that growing up Mormon, I never heard anyone make any serious attempt to talk about Heavenly Mother on Mothers Day. Uchtdorf. It will easily demonstrate the weaknesses in the position: The logic is faulty. anon, pretty sure hearing about an old guys non-existent sex life is worse. LDS Hymn Arrangements. Most seemed to realize bishoprics are trying and they appreciate any effort. Dont take us out of Primary to go eat Treats! Idealsno, no maam not for me. Talk topics could be: - examples in the scriptures (Eve, Ruth, Naomi, Esther, Sarah, Mary, Sariah, etc), - early Saints (Lucy Mack, Emma, Eliza R Snow, Aurelia Rogers, etc), - influence of (teachers, nurses, aunts, grandmas, etc). I have been avoiding the mother's day sacrament meeting for the last couple of years. By I didnt enjoy Mothers Day during my years of infertility, but Ive been surprised that I enjoy it even less now that I have children. I think its good to have something to air at! Love for mothers is good, but sometimes there is a fine, fine line between love and dysfunction. And dont even get me started on the Are We Not All Mothers tripe. Yet, we have a tendency to go to extremes, particularly culturally, forgetting that we are worshiping God, and that we are not God nor expected to be God in this, our mortal state. They really did. Because school is out in June, Fathers get the bum end of the deal when it comes to recognition. It defines our very identity, our divine stature and nature, and the unique traits our Father gave us.. 2. Thanks, kc! "I am a sociopathic perverted mess emotionally and mentally thanks to the influence of my insane codependent mother.'". Trust her. I actually feel it is not so dissimilar on fathers day, particularly since the disparity between them can demean men. In partaking of the sacrament and making these commitments, Church members renew the covenant they made at baptism (see Mosiah 18:810; Doctrine and Covenants 20:37). I remember long ago a young woman spoke on Mother's Day and described her mother as "the mean mother". Questions and Answers about the Sacrament, Remember Jesus Christ during the Sacrament, The Restoration of the Sacrament (Part1: Loss and Christian Reformations), The Restoration of the Sacrament (Part2: A New and Ancient Covenant), Sharing Time: Be Grateful for the Sacrament, Viewpoint: The Sacred Ordinance of the Sacrament, Young Men, Teach about the Sacrament, Brother Beck Says. I believe it is by divine design that the role of motherhood emphasizes the nurturing and teaching of the next generation.. Honoring Fallen Parents: The Fifth Commandment and Romans 3:23 The Fifth Commandment enjoins: "Honor thy father and thy mother." Not necessarily mothersjust women. She was not worthy of any review from me. Thanks for reminding me so I can stay home. Were here to help! So He can be ideal AND real. Im sorry too for the harshness In my expression in a previous thread regarding your views of sacrament meeting. You can guess how well that went over. Since I believe he (the Father) and my Heavenly Mother are probably equals, Id say we know a lot about her as well! Nourishing their souls instead of feeding their bodies? You can still give the women the day off. What do you think when you see a used car lot with a sign like this: Honest Abes Used Cars! His explanation was not to offend any sister. *As I type this, I know for a fact that someone out there is going to respond that their ward gives men plants for Fathers Day every year. Show me a sinless mother and she can be my ideal too. I know my own mother dislikes being called a good mother because she feels so awful about how she raised us from her perspective. Others must be killed or theyll live forever, injuring regular folk. For years the tradition in my ward was a simple gift for all sisters 18 and older. The rest of us mortals should stick with real.. Crowd-sourcing request. My worst MD talk came in the Fast and Testimony meeting the week before in which my father, who was visiting since he no longer lived in our ward, decided to give some incredibly intimate details about his divorce and why he blamed it on several of his children, but not others. I found out the hard way after a long list of them declined to give the talk. Now, I detest it. Today the sacrament is an ordinance in which Church members partake of bread and water in remembrance of Jesus Christ's atoning sacrifice. Up til now, I have endured going because I thought I had to. Your email address will not be published. Doesn't it seem strange in a religion that supposedly is so family focused that we have people who ignore the cries of many of the women in church who want to be mothers and can't be or who sorrow over children who are not making good eternal choices? Speaking for myself, I think Fathers Day is much easier. Somehow those who are not mothers are incapable of celebrating motherhood and thus it is painful for them and thus no one should celebrate motherhood as a church. My Mother will one day reach the godstage with my Father and will have there own planet. He offers advice on how young women can look to faithful mother figures as a pattern to follow. I come to church to be fed spiritually, and sappy poems and stories are never ever going to measure up to the meat that scriptural examples can provide. It was a nice meeting. The men work. It isnt uncommon for LDS women to be dealing with some combination of the following factors: a difficult marriage, no marriage, no children, difficult children, health problems, loss of faith. The sacrament provides an opportunity for Church members to ponder and remember with gratitude the life, ministry, and Atonement of the Son of God. On the night before His Crucifixion, Jesus Christ met with His Apostles and instituted the sacrament (see Luke 22:1920). What if you brought in padded RS chairs for the YW & PRI workers, including Nursery sisters, so that they can feel a little comfort on that Sunday? It just screamed, whoops, we forgot to order flowers in time and ran out to walmart last night and bought up whatever womanly thing we could find. I am aware of a seminary/institute teacher who is apparently of the firm and unshakeable belief that a pile of pizza must be provided each week without fail. THE major Mothers Day talk in Sacrament Meeting in our ward this week, I have forwarded all of this discussion on to him! But guess what?! More often than not, his assumption is correct. It makes my heart sad to see that the men arent recognized and given something however small it may be. It was a very honest list, but emphasized that the things she would change had nothing to do with looking good, acting a certain way, or different callings. It was part of the talk. We do need to have some kind of an ideal, even if we may not measure up to it occasionally, or even ever! Might spark some interesting conversations. Tell the moms that you'll be playing a game with the kids on Mother's Day and that . I am infertile, though I now have three children through adoption. More than at any time in the history of the world, we need mothers who know. Yea like all of you My Mother sucked too. I have to say that I was almost offended that there would be an assumption that FD would be a piece of cake. Nuts. Check out our selection of LDS church programs for baptisms, church activities, and sacrament meetings. Mrs. Gui, All the little Guis and their little Guis, the violin, photography, Prokofiev, Mahler, Terry Pratchett, Patrick OBrian, Umberto Eco, sci-fi and fantasy, Brigham Young, playing Bluegrass with real Kentuckians. Or any talk. Just plant a tree and name it after our mothers! I personally am skeptical of ever looking to people for ideals. No love in mortality comes closer to approximating the pure love of Jesus Christ than the selfless love a devoted mother has for her child.. I dont envy you people who have been called togive talksnext week. I think mixing it up, at least every other year, from Mother I Love You, is nice as a mom. For those who disagreed with my thoughts (above) about our needing ideals to aim at in our lives, I fell upon a quote from C.S. I guess mothers also die, just like plants, but not usually at our own hands. Best Mother's Day Topics, Scriptures, Conference Talks, Etc. But her mother held a yardstick, and if her daughter played the wrong key, her mother smacked her across the back ofher hands, thus providing sufficient negative reinforcement to motivate her to do it right the next time through. The first consideration is that you, the speaker, need to begin with your audience in mind. I like the post. I get fed up listening every year to only men saying how wonderful their wives and mothers are. Nice meeting. please please please please dont pull us teachers from Primary for pie or talking. Most of us brought up to beleive that the man of the home was were it was at. Let's apply your logic standard to other holidays. to hear my little kids sing and for my older kids to pass out a flower. And this is all in addition to the everyday problems like getting the bills paid and the laundry done. The Spirits constant companionship is one of the greatest gifts of mortality. What does it mean when we want to remove motherhood from Mother's Day? President Hinckley directly addresses mothers in this talk, commending them for the wonderful thing they have done by becoming mothers, but offering insights on their greatest challenge: to be able to answer the question How well have my children done? with happiness. The reminder was given to visit those sisters unable to attend on Mothers Day. Saw the survey and didnt reply, but one suggestion-Please have enough for EVERY female in the ward or branch. So for over a decade, Ive loved Mothers Day, just because I know it wont end with all of us crying. In my nearly 40 years in the church that has borne true. Julie B. Beck reminds women what it means to be a mother who knows listing a number of attributes, including the principles of bearing children, honoring sacred covenants, nurturing others, doing less, teaching, and leading. Oh and starting with Anthropologist Hrdys observations on what a plane full of chimps rather than humans would look like. I love your idea of wearing different color of flowers. She only did half the things a good mother would have done. Measure your words with that assumption in mind. What Can I Do? This has been a great reminder to be sensitive to all in the congregation with the Holy Ghost as a guide.

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