3. We just look for a biblical church to go to. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. Christ suffered and Sons of vipers! Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. You obviously didnt read the entire list see number 47. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. I dont see how. WebOur Mission. Their testimony is great Im sure they won more people to the lord than you. Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. Youre judgment of me by one blog post and its comments is typical IFB tactic. If you party, DO NOT drink. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? Great job adding a bit of levity! Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). I like that about them and not just them but the whole church, because the company you keep will influence you. God forgave because Jesus saved. N/A WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Also God commands us to try the spirits to see if they are of God that implies God gave us the power of discernment 1 John 4: 1-5. And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. Read one thing, make a judgment that Im just bitter and move on. Again its too legalistic. (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). We believe that the ecumenical movement is a demonic attempt to unite all Christian denominations around experience to the disregard of biblical doctrine. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. But it cannot be pleasant carrying all that bitterness around with you every day. )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. We cant save people, only God can. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. 1. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. I would of rather take the word literally than follow the world. They had made an idol out of church attendance. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. See if you recognize any. This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. The church never knew our problems but god did. If you might confuse KJV with KJB its the same thing but its a preference on how people might want to call it. The establishment and continuance of local churches is clearly taught and defined in te New Testa ment Scriptures (Acts 14:27; 20:17, 28-32; I Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-11). The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. Welpjust commented for the sake of the few who posted comments and clearly are rowing the same boat as I! All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! If they are saved , I dare say they regret the day they walked into the very church you enjoy making fun of. 42. If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. How come many Americans havent heard of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church movement? In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. 45. 10. Im glad they didnt because Id probably be ashamed admitting Im a liar. I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). Or preferring the KJV? His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. I had a free apartment, food stamps, government phone, and a $60.. utility check every month. 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The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? We as a couple decided to do things biblical. 5. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. 5 Everything they do is for show. G. M. Matheny. operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. The Duggar family, so much in the news lately, are Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB), a loosely affiliated, singularly cultish denomination of The membership They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. They knew it would be an investment in your giving and service to them (yes they are that evil). I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. People are more willing to change their ways when confronted in love rather then with criticism and bitterness. Im sure that this was meant to be funny but I can tell that you seem bitter. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. I prefer Kjv! She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. Im not responsible for how its perceived. 7 You hypocrites! Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. Many Christians believe some of these distinctives, but true Baptists believe them all. Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. God works in mysterious ways. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. I dont believe my husband was the only one hurting the relationship. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. 30. For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. Neither should control the other. I know the answers now. (2 Cor. Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image and is mindful of him, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every individual possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love. 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Only the KJV will be used in this group; 32. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. the appearance of things is more important than reality, aka, you will cover up abuse and silence victims in order to protect the name of Christ. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. For example, #54. Like I said, Im doing repair work. Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. We believe that Satan is a created angelic being who rebelled and who tempted man to join him in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Genesis 3:1-5). I dont believe some of the Catholic doctrine is true, but all have belief in things they believe and unbelief in things they dont believe. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. (John 3:36; Romans 14:4-12;2 Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9), Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified with Him in believer's baptism. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly Some of these are very much right on the money. If your pastor is a true scholar of the Bible and is on fire with eagerness to teach it, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. This is because we live in this flesh. There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. 8. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. I can not forgive sins! We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. I read Matthew 23 just before writing. Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. You tend to lump independent Baptist or independent religious organizations into one lump, sensing that they are all the same. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. We forgive people, but only God can forgive sins. But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. 26. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God, but that in Adam's sin the race fell, inherited a sinful nature, and became alienated from God; and therefore man is totally depraved, and, of himself, utterly unable to remedy his lost conditin (Genesis 1: 26- 27; Romans 3: 2 2-23; Ephesians 2 : 1-3, 12). Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. I have attended an IB Church my entire life (34 years). Hypocrites! You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. The word fundamental simply means that we adhere to the fundamentals (basics) of the true Christian faith. Its pure manipulation. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23), All born-again believers have the privilege of direct access to God. WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. 20. 33. I can tell by your grammar and spelling that you arent very educated (just an observation not a judgment). I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. We believe in salvation by grace If you think anything what the churches teach about salvation is easy believing this is not true in our congregation. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down.